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My Simple Fix for the Messed Up Sunday Shows

Look, the Sunday morning talk shows are broken. As works of journalism they don't work. And I don't know why this is so hard for the producers to figure out.

The people who host and supervise these shows, the journalists who appear on them, as well as the politicians who are interviewed each week, are all quite aware that extreme polarization and hyper-partisan conflict have come to characterize official Washington, an observation repeated hundreds of times a month by elders in the Church of the Savvy.  Ron Brownstein wrote a whole book on it: The Second Civil War: How Extreme Partisanship Has Paralyzed Washington and Polarized America

If the observation is true, then inviting partisans on television to polarize us some more would seem to be an obvious loser, especially because the limited airtime compresses political speech and guarantees a struggle for the microphone. This pattern tends to strand viewers in the senseless middle. We either don't know whom to believe, and feel helpless. Or we curse both sides for their distortions. Or we know enough to know who is bullshitting us more and wonder why the host doesn't. I can think of no scenario in which Brownstein can be correct and the Sunday shows won't suck. (Can you?)

It's remarkable to me how unaware someone like David Gregory appears to be about all this. He acts as if lending stage to extreme partisanship, and then "confronting" each side with one or two facts it would prefer to forget, is a perfectly fine solution. But then he also acts like his pathetic denialism about the adequacy of press performance as Bush made his case for war is sustainable, normal, rational. ("I think the questions were asked.  I think we pushed.  I think we prodded.  I think we challenged the president.") Maybe he thinks we buy that.  Or forgive him. Or something....

Well, Gregory is a special case.  But in fact the whole Sunday format has to be re-thought, or junked so the news divisions can start over with a new premise.  Of course the problem is that the people who would have to make that decision are the same people whose entire knowledge base and skill set lies in producing the "old" style of political television. That is what they know, so that is what they continue to do. I guess it's not hard to understand complacency of this kind.  But do they really think we don't notice the growing absurdity of bringing to a common table people who agree on nothing?

I think the situation calls for cynicism. But I have to admit that is not much of a call.  So instead I propose this modest little fix, first floated on Twitter in a post I sent out to Betsy Fischer, Executive Producer of Meet the Press, who never replies to anything I say.  "Sadly, you're a one-way medium," I said to Fischer, "but here's an idea for ya: Fact check what your guests say on Sunday and run it online Wednesday."

Now I don't contend this would solve the problem of the Sunday shows, which is structural.  But it might change the dynamic a little bit.  Whoever was bullshitting us more could expect to hear about it from Meet the Press staff on Wednesday.  The midweek fact check (in the spirit of Politifact.com, which could even be hired for the job...) might, over time, exert some influence on the speakers on Sunday. At the very least, it would guide the producers in their decisions about whom to invite back.

The midweek fact check would also give David Gregory a way out of his puppy game of gotcha. Instead of telling David Axelrod that his boss promised to change the tone in Washington so why aren't there any Republican votes for health care? ... which he thinks is getting "tough" with a guest, Gregory's job would simply be to ask the sort of questions, the answers to which could be fact checked later in the week. Easy, right?

The beauty of this idea is that it turns the biggest weakness of political television--the fact that time is expensive, and so complicated distortions, or simple distortions about complicated matters, are rational tactics for advantage-seeking pols---into a kind of strength.  The format beckons them to evade, deny, elide, demagogue and confuse.... but then they pay for it later if they give into temptation and make that choice.  So imagine the midweek fact check from last week as a short segment wrapping up the show the following week. Now you have an incentive system that's at least pointed in the right direction.

As I said, the situation calls for cynicism, which is the real product of the Sunday shows. But simply because nothing will be done, we shouldn't pretend that nothing can be done. That would be cynicism taken to an unwarranted extreme.

Soon, This Week with George Stephanopoulos on ABC will get a new host, which is likely to be White House correspondent Jake Tapper.  He could institute the midweek fact check in a stroke. And he has the ego to think he could pull it off.  Stroke, ego-- hey, maybe we got something here. How 'bout it, Jake?

NOTES

Jan. 10, 2010: Michael Calderone, the media beat reporter for The Politico, used this post to examine the depressed state of the Sunday shows. Here's how it starts:

A new idea recently surfaced for television’s longest-running show: What if “Meet the Press” fact-checked what its stream of political guests said and ran the results online later in the week?

The suggestion by New York University journalism professor Jay Rosen kicked around Twitter and the blogosphere with such force that the show’s host, David Gregory, said in a statement to POLITICO that it was a “good idea” and his staff is “going to talk about it.”

On CNN's Reliable Sources, Jan. 3, 2010, Howard Kurtz responded to a witless crack NBC's Brian Williams made about Twitter ("I see it as kind of a time suck that I don't need any more of. Just too much 'I got the most awesome new pair of sweatpants...'") by informing Williams that a journalist can find many useful ideas there.  And then he endorsed my simple fix for the Sunday shows, showed my original Twitter post on the air and quoted from this piece. From the transcript:

Still to come, trashing Twitter. Brian Williams thinks all of those short messages are a waste of time. We'll show you why he's -- what's the word? -- wrong.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KURTZ: Brian Williams is a talented anchor and pretty good comedian. But when it comes to Twitter, well, let's just say he's a tad out of touch.

The NBC newsman tells "TIME" magazine that, "I see it as a kind of time suck that I don't need anymore of. Just too much 'I got the most awesome new pair of sweatpants.'"

Now, I learn smart things from smart people on Twitter every day that have nothing to do with what pants people are wearing or not wearing. Here's just one example.

NYU journalism professor Jay Rosen tweeted an idea about improving the Sunday morning talk shows. He says the programs, rather than letting politicians get away with distortions, should offer an online fact check each week of exaggerations and lies. For the guests, says Rosen, the format beckons them to evade, deny, elide, demagogue and confuse, but then they pay for it later if they give into temptation and make that choice. I happen to think that makes a lot of sense toward holding officials accountable.

What do you think, Brian? Oh, you didn't catch that on Twitter? Pity.

Can't say that's ever happened to me before.

ABC's Jake Tapper replies to this post on Twitter: "Interesting, thanks."

Jason Linkins comments at Huffington Post with a suggested improvement:

Naked assertions from politicians are the stuff of these shows. Why can't some of them be checked in real time? Surely it's possible to have a small army of fact-checkers at the ready during the broadcasts of these shows. Network news divisions already employ reporters and researchers (all of whom are likely passively watching their network's program anyway) who can be deployed to assist the overall journalistic enterprise. Moreover, I'm reliably informed that technology now allows for people to send "instant messages" to one another. Why not use it? Why not open up these lines of communication between the backroom and the moderator, and bring the full force of a news gathering organization to bear as the cameras roll live?

There's no doubt it could be done. However, my purpose in making this "modest little suggestion" was to float something both sensible and easily done, something that wouldn't even require a change in the show.

Also see the follow-up post Linkins did on reader reactions to fixing the Sunday shows.

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Comments (49)

Dec 27, 2009
PXLated said...
In addition to the Wed. fact check, highlight the findings on the following Sunday as a lead-in ... "Last week, so-n-so fed us all this crap". May just make that days guests pause.
Dec 27, 2009
Bernie Michalik said...
This is a great idea, and not all that extreme. I believe the run "reality checks" on campaign promises and criticisms during elections. Why not extend that approach in the manner you suggest. Especially since the election cycle never really seem to end these days so much as it abates. This would be the justification -- if they need it -- to explain why they are doing this.
Dec 27, 2009
Tanya E said...
Great article- Please get that to the producers. Remove Gregory from MTP - He can host a more Republican view show at a 5 am time slot or something
Dec 27, 2009
doingitwrong said...
The interesting thing about this is that we wouldn't even need the shows to do the fact-checking. Anyone with a good research team could make a pretty great parasite (symbiote?) site devoted to fact-checking the Sunday shows and updating it every Wednesday.

Could be a neat class project.

Dec 28, 2009
Tim Bonnemann said...
As a citizen, it would be tremendously helpful to have in place a fact-checking database not only for one-off bloopers but one that tracks how the core group of a few hundred or so people who regularly make up these talk shows (journalists, politicians, campaign strategists, ex-military etc.) perform over time.

Factual statements could be fact-checked immediately. Forward-looking statements (predictions) could be verified once they reach their due date. Titles under which guests appear on various shows could be tracked (some people are experts for everything and anything, apparently). Moreover, this site or application could track conflicts of interest. There is a clear lack of transparency when it comes to many of the usual suspects, and too often their affiliations, interests and backgrounds are not obvious to the average viewer.

There have been attempts in the past at building such a resource: I'm aware of Ameritocracy in the U.S. (anno 2008, see http://www.flickr.com/photos/planspark/2592355181/) and Trupoli in Germany (anno 2007/2008, see http://www.flickr.com/photos/planspark/2140335117/).

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Having said that, the real issue lies with the format: if the goal really were to bring people together, to overcome partisan divisions or to identify common ground, then this particular kind of debate is not very productive. It'd be interesting to see if a format focused more on dialogue and listening, led by a trained facilitator, could lead to better results.

Dec 28, 2009
dSquib said...
why aren't the audience already fact-checking what they hear on sunday talk shows themselves? are they not interested?
Dec 28, 2009
dSquib said...
anyway this is surely part of a wider media inclination to believe that pitting against each other Republican and Democrat partisans (i.e. "strategists"), who are paid to publicly issue certain talking points, will in the fireworks created magically produce something resembling "truth". are they likely to reform one program slot without rethinking their entire approach to the form?
Dec 28, 2009
Makurrah said...
Such a good idea that it should be legislated. Cool to see you on posterous (which) suits the "loosely joined" configuration - phrasing I borrowed from Daniel Bachhuber for one of my own posts.
Dec 28, 2009
TimW2JIG said...
For Tim Bonnemann, What is an Expert? http://is.gd/5EhSI and why Rosen's Sunday Show Fix is preposterous
Dec 28, 2009
Tim Bonnemann said...
Oops, Posterous broke my links:

Ameritocracy (screenshot from 2008): http://www.flickr.com/photos/planspark/2592355181/

Trupoli (screenshot from 2007/2008): http://www.flickr.com/photos/planspark/2140335117/

Trupoli went out of business earlier this year, Ameritocracy is morphing into something slightly different it seems.

Dec 28, 2009
jcposner said...
How do you fact check an opinion?
Dec 28, 2009
Evan Stone said...
Facts don't matter to the people producing these shows. What matters is sensationalism and as many eyeballs watching the commercials as possible. This is not like scholarly publishing, it's just another form of reality entertainment TV.
Dec 28, 2009
Bernie Michalik said...
Is it always opinion? Often it is prediction, and prediction can be logged and fact checked. Other times the opinions are more like generalization, and generalizations are easily picked apart. Lastly there are beliefs, and beliefs should be called out.

Also, it is not necessarily fact checking, although there is that, as challenging the arguments being made.

Anything would be better than the current state of affairs.

Dec 28, 2009
Nicole Belle said...
You have touched upon my own personal crusade for the last four years. I've covered the Sunday morning talk shows for my site for that time and it's always excruciating how much misinformation is given out and how disingenuous the framing.

It's hard not to see the media as some monolithic entity, uninterested in informing the public, since so much air time is given to falsehoods, question avoidance, and few follow ups. It's also who they choose to ask on the air. Ten years after he was forced from office, Newt Gingrich is the most frequent guest on Meet The Press. Why? How is he relevant to today's politics? The current Speaker of the House has not been on MTP this year. It makes no sense.

Because I am on the email distro list of every TV news organization for press releases, booking announcements, transcripts of shows, etc., I started launching my own private protests into the failed state of Sunday shows by responding back, hoping that my communiques reach a producer. You can read one of my protests here: http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/about-media-notion-balance

The construct of the Sunday talk shows is a failed one. Gregory, for all of his alleged gumption as a WH reporter, has turned into an anchor with slavish devotion to "Villager" mentality. Credibility comes from your residence within the Beltway, not from being correct, which is the only way to explain how David Broder has any kind of TV career. Out and out falsehoods are given every weekend and the same lying bastards are back the very next week. Fact checking would be the very beginning steps to putting us back on the right track, but sadly, I don't think that facts are important to these jokers any more.

Dec 29, 2009
ishmaeldaro said...
Okay, after fact-checking we need to outlaw the use of "theater of war" or "theater of operations" by the network's so-called national security correspondent. Are these people serious commentators or pretend generals?
Dec 29, 2009
Jay Rosen said...
Thanks, Nicole, for that link. I loved this part from your note to the ABC producer... "Here is a segment I would LOVE to see you do with Sen. McCain: why don't you invite my colleague, David Neiwert, author of The Eliminationists, on to discuss how the violent rhetoric that used to be relegated to the fringes of the Republican Party has been mainstreamed since Obama's election and let Sen McCain respond to that?"

A perfect example of the three spheres I discussed in Audience Atomization Overcome. Your proposed segment would balance a writer from ABC's "sphere of deviance" with a figure from ABC's "sphere of consensus."

Dec 29, 2009
 said...
And then, when any pontificator has been shown to be a liar more than, oh, say, a hundred times, or so, BAN THAT PERSON FROM THE PROGRAM.

Mary Matalin has already exceeded that limit, and should be banned forthwith.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

Dec 29, 2009
Mitch Engel said...
Great idea, but even more to the point are better questions and hosts that control their show and cut off interviewees who don't answer questions and reask the question again and again until they are forced to answer it since they will not be permitted to use their time to make announcements of their talking points.
Dec 29, 2009
Devin McStylez said...
Quote: anyway this is surely part of a wider media inclination to believe that pitting against each other Republican and Democrat partisans (i.e. "strategists"), who are paid to publicly issue certain talking points, will in the fireworks created magically produce something resembling "truth"

Um, no. Truth has literally nothing to do with the business model. For major media outlets, truth is an enemy to be avoided at all costs, because "truth" (to the degree that it can actually be determined) is boring. Major media exists for exactly one reason - to sell ads. Conflict keeps more people glued to the set than "truth" or "rational dialogue". It's really important to understand that none of the people in these businesses care about you, or "truth" in even the slightest sense. They do not. They care about making money, increasing their personal relevance, and nothing else.

Except perhaps in the cases where they have a specific agenda they want to push. Either way, the truth's got nothing to do with it.

The point is, stop watching. If you're (one of the dwindling few) watching, you are feeding a beast that serves little to no legitimate purpose, and you're willingly subjecting yourself to the disingenuous ramblings of professional liars. Why bother?

Dec 29, 2009
B said...
ONE FORGOTTEN PROBLEM: Talking heads, quite often on the {R} side don't care if it's debunked 3 or 4 days later. The message impact is immediate and it's the resonating message that matters more. This is about changing perception through the rumor mill that thrives on half truths.
Dec 29, 2009
Jay Rosen said...
"Major media exists for exactly one reason - to sell ads."

I love to be--because I need to be--reminded that a commercial institution has commercial aims and that these aims dominate because that is something I might well forget being the clueless ivory tower, head-in-the-sand... sorry, clouds Poindexter that I know I am. So thanks, Devin McStylez, thanks for that bracing reality check.

Dec 29, 2009
Linda said...
I couldn't agree more about the Sunday shows. As a career journalist, I can't even stand to watch or read what I call "the stenography" anymore. Linkins adds a good point in that there's no need to wait until Wednesday to fact check: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/29/how-to-fix-the-sunday-mor_n_406591.html.

>In the old days (like the 1970s and '80s, when most mass media was respected perhaps more than ever in America), reporters like David Gregory were expected to do background research before the interview to make sure they weren't duped by fibbers. Good reporters would be humiliated to be the one that let those lies get on air ... and they probably would be quickly replaced with smarter people who did their homework before air or interview.

Today, with instant info at our fingertips, there's just no excuse not to at least have cub reporters in the studio fact-checking, to catch the fibbers in real time, with the actual audience that consumed the fib.

THAT -- the threat of instant humiliation to the guest AND the reporter -- I think would make the Sunday "reporting" responsible in no time, not gradually over a period of time.

As for these cynical comments in this thread about commercialism driving the news product, well, that didn't use to be the case, in my experience. Small community papers, yes, were often driven by local commercial interests, but once we reporters and editors made it to the big time, there was an absolute "Chinese wall" between the newsroom and the ad department, and our top editors protected us from commercial interests so we could do our jobs without fear or favor. The old "Lou Grant" TV series was a pretty accurate portrait of my business then.

Public airwaves used to be required to provide a certain amount of real news in exchange for use of public space for its profitable entertainment. Ads during news NEVER were profitable for the cost of news production. It wasn't expected. I guess the cable competition changed that dynamic; I don't think most media consumers perceived the difference between cable and network news, and the industry never helped them to, either.

You know what demolished the Chinese wall in newspapers, in my experience? Corporate media. I recently saw where Rep. Waxman was talking about a newspaper bailout, but IMHO that's a terrible idea. The best thing that could happen is for the over-indebted newspaper corporations to fail and the still-profitable newspapers be sold back into local ownership, and profits put back into their local markets instead of all channeled to corporate HQ into the pockets of a few fat cats and their DC, NY or Chicago luxury economy.

If newspapers, radio and TV stations were locally owned instead of corporate owned, the audience would demand accountability for a credible product at the grassroots. That could drive a return to responsible journalism.

Dec 29, 2009
Lex said...
I'll go you one better, Jay -- the fact-checking ought to be happening in real time, carried out by network staff, with updates both online and in live screen crawls for the folks at home.

In addition to being good journalism, this also would have commercial appeal. Hell, even *I* would tune in to see a Mary Matalin -- or, for that matter, David Gregory -- getting his/her rear end handed to him/her on live national TV.

And once it became clear to the regular viewers just how much these people lie, well, who knows what might happen?

Dec 30, 2009
Peter BXL said...
Tim Russert defined MTP as holding politicians accountable for what they said earlier and done/said later. He had a brilliant fact check team working as a preparation and brought it to an apotheosis during his show, by innocently luring his victim into the invisible trap and the inevitable corner. Then he did not let loose before the sweat started appearing through the studio make-up on the faces of his guests.
That sweat you will never see when fact-checking online. That confrontation, the embarrasment, the overt backtracking, flipflopping 'en publique' is a requirement for a working democracy.
Press the Meat.
Dec 30, 2009
Somerfleck said...
Great ideas. I would take this a few steps further along the road toward mass consumption and intersperse politicians, pundits, economists, and authors with celebrities and/or pop figures (at least those with a moderate bent toward intelligent conversation and involvement like Bono, Tim Robbins, Alec Baldwin, etc.) to pump fresh blood into the ratings and relevance to younger audiences.

Fact-checking statements made Wednesdays via Twitter or a Facebook page would be a brilliant bonus.

Dec 30, 2009
JohnA said...
A process such as instant fact checking should make it possible to deny the national audience to frauds like Sarah Palin, Fred Thompson, William Kristol among those that come to mind at the moment. And, of course, many of the so-called Blue Dog Democrats. And many Democrats also distort the truth, too. The people need an accurate press and media so that they can make good decisions about who should be in government.

It is such a good idea, I have my doubts anyone will be willing to try it out on a scale that would be meaningful.

Dec 30, 2009
pheidole said...
Thanks Jake, you watch so I don't have to.

Why don't shows rich with pundits do a twice-yearly segment, before August break and at the end of the year, called "Mea Culpa", where they say one thing, just one thing, that they got wrong in the preceding six months. Just to keep them a wee bit honest.

Granted, on most shows they'd never do it. But I always hoped that someone like Diane Rheem would see the sense in it.

As is, it seems to me the main job of a pundit is to take a complex, interesting problem into their soft hands, squeeze mightily, open, and reveal a polished black rabbit turd that they roll out onto the desk.

Repeat until commercial break.

Dec 30, 2009
Adam said...
..really do we need 'high tech' to get 'high quality'. The fact is that the moderators don't have the b.lls to ask even remotely provocative follow up questions, or challenge the most blatant lies/assertions or pablum that their guests bring to the table. These shows have become a beauty contest; not journalism. Take the most recent example of David Gregory's interview of Janet Napolitano..what a joke.
Dec 30, 2009
jbialer said...
If there's an audience for a MTP factcheck, why does NBC have to do it? I just registered mtpfactcheck.com Hmm
Dec 31, 2009
TimW2JIG said...
CNN is a ratings loser because it is too objective, but MTP is a ratings leader because it is hyper-partisan?
Dec 31, 2009
TimW2JIG said...
Or CNN's http://is.gd/5HLV6 and MTP's (lack-of) fact checking are a common problem regardless of ratings?
Dec 31, 2009
TimW2JIG said...
"How dare you ask the Majority Leader if he has any regrets about actually acting like an opposition party." http://is.gd/5HM0Q
Jan 01, 2010
 said...
I stopped watching all TV news and commentary about 35 years ago. I seem to be no less informed for the lack, as this conversation proves.

Also, take into account the studies that show there is an inverse correlation between watching Fox and knowledge of reality.

Jan 01, 2010
Jay Rosen said...
Fox? Did I mention Fox?
Jan 02, 2010
Bill Michtom said...
Fox viewers were merely the MOST ignorant. Other TV news watchers also were made ignorant by their time in front of the tube.
Jan 02, 2010
chardday said...
Nothing illustrates whatever the problem is better than this clip of John Ensign and Rick Sanchez:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/ensign_pressed_by_cnn_on_sex-lobbying_scandal.php

Ensign -- like all tv-savvy politicos -- cleaves so relentlessly to his prefabricated non-answers that no meaningful result is possible. Tweak the format all you want; nothing will change unless you discover a new breed of politician.

Good luck with that.

Jan 02, 2010
Bill Michtom said...
I disagree with chardday's conclusion about the clip.

I think Ensign's refusal to respond to Sanchez, to even say whether he was misquoted or lied about by the person who said, in no uncertain terms, that Ensign did what he was accused of, is a blow against this breed of politician. The problem is that so few so-called journalists will do what Sanchez did: keep asking him to answer.

I would ask that Sanchez, or a person in his position, cut off the BS immediately when Ensign talks about his "concern" about health care or whatever.

Jan 03, 2010
mattheww said...
Well this is awkward, Bill M., because I agree with your disagreeing with me. Insofar as: By stonewalling the reporter, Ensign allows the audience to form a meta-opinion about what sort of person would conduct themselves this way in an interview, and why. But this has been going on certainly as far back as the Nixon era. As we did then, we are able now to see a liar when one presents him/her self. The form of kabuki political television theater from which we have all, for lack of options, learned to arrive at such conclusions didn't make for particularly compelling viewing then, nor does it now, which was my only intended point. The idea that a certain interviewer, interview length, or follow-up proceedure is going to change any of that strikes me as... well, as a nice thought, anyway.
Jan 03, 2010
chardday said...
the above is signed, me
Jan 03, 2010
chardday said...
Also, "procedure" only has one "e."
Jan 03, 2010
Bill Michtom said...
It is a nice thought, isn't it. ;-) I also think it would be more effective than merely letting this SOBs blather on. I think shutting them up would be pretty compelling. Granted, I haven't watched any of these shows for over 30 years, but I think that politicians would be put in the place of not getting a public forum at all or answering questions. How can that be bad, either way?
Jan 04, 2010
Janus Daniels said...
The "news" media won't do this, for reasons too obvious and numerous to list. Remember the Fairness Doctrine? We won't get that back either:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0212-03.htm
We can continue to do their work ourselves; however slowly, our influence has continued to increase.
Jan 04, 2010
Donald Dal Maso said...
One of the most creative suggestions I've heard in recent days. Right-wingers when confronted with facts immediately move on ("Yes, and...") to squirm loose of being held accountable but even that behavior can be measured and reported. By far the most effective rejoinders to the Right are are simple, cooly delivered and unrelenting statements of facts.
Jan 04, 2010
Bill Michtom said...
Interestingly enough, Donald,I have just been doing this over the last several days on two different newspaper sites: The (Portland) Oregonian and the Des Moines Register. On both sites I have received one or two responses from these people out of twenty or more comments I've posted pointing out their lack of reason and facts.
Jan 06, 2010
Tim C. said...
Responding to Linda's point about the threat of instant humiliation, that threat also makes for great television. It's what a lot of us tuned into Russert to watch (ersatz though the humiliation often was), and you can see it brilliantly at work on the BBC. The chance to watch a demogogue get his comeuppance is priceless.

The problem is that demogogues would then avoid the shows where they would be held accountable. Just watch Dick Cheney's footwork this year. But if it just means that only demogogues go on Larry King or Bill OReilly, so be it. We will know the people who have confidence enough in their own facts that they are willing to place them in the crucible.

Jan 06, 2010
chardday said...
I "enjoyed," or whatever, Nick Griffin taking heat on "Question Time" and Richard Cohen crumbling before Rachel Maddow, but those are fringe players. The sorts of guests the Sunday shows book have a stock non-answer ready-to-go for every possible question. Indeed I think the reason the Sunday shows don't press these people harder is, why bother? Were one to confront Dick Cheney in the moment with hard proof he just lied, he would calmly dissemble, elide and deflect for as long as the segment continues, and leave no usable quote in his wake. Moreover this approach is so common in all parties that there's not even any outrage to exploit when it's invoked.

For me the way to best way to make the Sunday shows more entertaining is to fast-forward straight to the round table and imagine Cokie Roberts has a tumbler of scotch going just out of view. Works like a charm every time.

Jan 11, 2010
Bill said...
Mar 01, 2010
MsJoanne said...
You'll never see this happen. Not only because the monied power wouldn't allow it, and not only because the liars won't go on the shows, and not only because the crazy right will scream LIBERAL LIARS until the cows come home, but mostly because it would prove how ignorant of the facts these "news experts" really are.

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